Brilliant, thanks for sharing
LI
i came across this song from the 1970's on you tube and it reminded me of meeting jws at the door or.
at the kingdom hall, perhaps a satirical connection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgchra0kbo&feature=fvw.
Brilliant, thanks for sharing
LI
titus, you today made a statement regarding an essential wt doctrine: .
i am an active jw.. can i tell you what that doctrine is?.
bullshit!.
inbetween I think you have made some very pertinent statements, particularly your last three paragraphs. Thank you.
It all helps to put perspective on things inasmuch does one choose a religion because it "fits" one's lifestyle and what one wants to think.
During my lifetime I have visited many churches regularly prior to going to the KH. One of the main differences I found was that JWs actively bad mouth other religions on the platform when the person speaking certainly should not be preaching to vulnerable people in this way. OK everyone is entitled to their own opinion on anything but someone in a position of trust, i.e. the preacher should be setting a good example to those he is teaching. In my book attempting to take the speck out of someone else's eye when there is a plank is one's own is unchristian.
Also, if there are matters with which one does not agree you have to pretend to agree otherwise they accuse you of being apostate or something worse.
I also found that though they talk about love and their love to other congregations etc. it is all talk and no action. One can tell if someone loves them by the way they are treated, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.
As you can, your words have been very through provoking for me.
Thank you.
LI
i'm a 38 year old man who's seen too much.
too much hypocrisy.
too much apathy.
Welcome VampireDCLXV - I am new here too!
I read your story with sadness as most of us have experienced some of what you have been through.
However, what I wanted to say is that though you mention that your education wasn't what it could have been your post is so well written! You have obviously picked up writing skills very well.
LIx
what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?
i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.
but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?
Blondie, you are right JW friends are't ever really friends at all, it is a conditional friendship which is not what a close, loyal friend should be.
Lozhasleft, I just read a life story on another site (think it might have been yours) if so you have had a really tough time. I am glad that you have found the support you needed and now you are here helping and supporting others with such great understanding. For my part that is the sign of a true Christian friend.
When I used to attend the KH I was amazed at how much the word "apostate" was thrown around. Having not grown up as a JW I was totally shocked at how much name calling went on by so called Christians. In fact, I looked up the word apostate as they seemed to use it for just about anyone and I remember the meaning as being "someone who has lost their faith". I then said to my husband "who are they to know whether someone has lost their faith or not?"
LIx
what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?
i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.
but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?
Awww sorry to hear that cantleave, just makes everything so much harder, times like this is when you need a genuine friend. However, that said, I guess it's better to know now that a friend isn't genuine.
I have only been on this site a couple of days and everyone here is very friendly, supportive, non-judgemental. It helps a lot.
Given time, though, you will for sure make new friends outside the KH and in time a close friend then everything else will start to fade into insignificance. At least too it may take longer to make a friend but it will be for the right reasons not just because you happen to attend the same KH. I also think that someone like yourself will have so much to offer to someone as a friend having been through so much yourself and you will become someone's very treasured special friend.
Lots of luck and happiness.
LIx
what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?
i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.
but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?
That's for your welcome Loz, strangely talking about friends, I find everyone here to be very friendly and welcoming.
brizzzy, sorry for your sad story. Sometimes friendships like yours do happen and they are completely innocent as was yours but there are always people that make it into something it wasn't. However, I often think that people judge others by their own behaviour so it does make me wonder just why the congregation thought there was more to it!!!
I have a similar friendship, save that the man in question has never been a JW. I worked for him for 15 years and he saw me go through lots of problems and was there for me. I met and married my husband during this time (now an ex JW) but my friendship still continued and in fact I nursed him through cancer and my husband did not have a problem with it.
At the time, though, my husband and I were still attending a KH and I just know that if they had seen my male friend and me together, arms linked, he was weak from chemotherapy and I have had lots of hip operations and don't walk too good, I just know their tongues would have been wagging. Like you, though, it is just one of those special friendships with a man much older than myself - rare but possible.
LI
what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?
i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.
but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?
I think you're right MS
Loz, she's obviously too good for the Borg hence their opinion
LI
what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?
i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.
but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?
I never found a genuine friend in the KH. My definition of a genuine friend is someone that is completely trustworthy, you can tell them anything and they wouldn't judge you. Someone you could call on any hour of the night if you had a serious problem, someone who would be there for you despite anything else they may have on at the time.
The joke is that when I married my then JW husband I was excited about going to the KH so that I could make friends as marrying him had meant moving away from all my family and friends.
I remember inviting one elderly sister for lunch. My husband and I were both working and she was retired. Every time we suggested she couldn't make so in the end we asked her to suggest a day and time which it turned out was not convenient to us. However, as we said we would have her for lunch we went along with her choice. The first thing she said to me when she arrived was that she wouldn't be inviting us back!!!
This has also reminded me of something she said when my husband first told her that we had got married, she said "Oh Satan will try and split you up!". I couldn't believe my ears! This is a sweet, elderly Christian lady (not)
LI
i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.
to the site itself and to all the posters.
my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.
I am thinking of you SF.
No we no longer go to the KH we moved 150 miles away earlier this year to get away from the "hounding".
Good luck.
LI
i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.
to the site itself and to all the posters.
my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.
Welcome, this is my first day as a poster too!!
I, too, married a JW though he has always been disillusioned about the whole thing but has a very domineering mother who kept pushing him to go to his local KH despite leaving home when he was 25 which was 2 hours away from where he lived.
I look forward to reading more of your posts and wish you well - you will need to have patience.
LI